I something going on that is changing the journalist role? How do we do this better?
Dan: On my right, is Jeff Jarvis, but I won't go into that any further.
Teach-ins should teach us things, the most imporant thing we could learn is where we are in time. Joe said 1960 for the same reason Frank Rich did, a year where the power of television became significant. In 1760 we had the birth of the republic where people's opinions count. A large group of people outside of decision making who had an interest in what people were doing -- the opinions of the public mattered -- gave birth to the concept and role of public opinion. Powerful radical idea, egalitarian principles. But within a limited group.
From 1760-1860 the idea was expaned to include everybody in the public. In 1860 we had the birth of mass media, beginning with the penny newspapers. Spread the public to everybody. Lots of commentary that finally the world is connected. Same hopes as the Internet for the telegraph. The role of people converted downward, gained participation, but lost agency. Institutionalization of the public as an audience. By 1960 this moved into politics, media age politics, what Joe called broadcast politics.
Now, the original promise of the public, people who are more than readers, more than ideas -- a role to play in politics. Now the tradition is coming apart. Organizing itself. The Internet had done one thing radical -- it has given the voters a mouth. The public is no longer just on the receiving end.
I have never seen a time that has been exciting as this. The people own the printing press. The election has changed that the audience has a voice
As blog boy in a suit we say the first obligation is not to go write in blogs, we already have this, the first obligation of the press is to read them. Reporters look at the stump when the should be looking at the green.
Matt Stoller put up the speaches of the three campaigns. All of the information you could want from the candidates is online now. Now political reporting isn't reporting. There isn't value in that. Dean is the first step. We can change the public interaction, amongst ourselves
His manifesto: Would love to see an expectation for webcast. Insist that all candidates have weblogs. Expect that federal and state agencies have equally informative information, a blogger to show what is important, search as easy as Google. Expect politicians will enter into dialogues with us. Reporters should report this, tell politicians what we care about and tell us what politicians are not telling us. Citizens Media, not just weblogs.
Dan: the journalists had a peripheral role in what you just described.
Jay: pro journalists will still be there. What's different is the way journalists can establish authority with us. The terms of authority are changing. Both for the Press, Journalists and the Media. The media is the big attention complex that has a million heads and is a global operation of recruiting and joining audiences. Press is an institution. Need to keep them seperate. The prospects for the media as a collusus are pretty good. The Press arises out our desire to become self-governing people.
Dan: NYT is a political institution, as a great deal to say about how politics is percieved. Just now becoming transparent.
John McCarthy: Lots of people have criticized the press for how it covers public discourse. But there is Yahoo Groups, FreeConference.com (free conference calls), Capital Advantage and League of Women Voters partnership. Political journalists could partner with technology journalists to criticize implementations. How can you as journalists further the technology?
Jeff: There is a story out there, go cover it. Persian blog example.
Jay: Activity comes first. Journalists forgot to care if people were engaged with information instead of receiving the information.
Dan: Journalist needs to do a better job in using and understanding tools. Better tools for people to get information and choose information.
Jay: Pros that can put up information without constraints is significant itself.
IMHO: we dont have video and audio available online to cover the campaign or the ability to treat it as micro-content...a real problem..esp because now we can produce rich media at low cost. (comment that you can use archive.org).
Comment: Corporate vs. corpuscular: eBayization of politics
Jeff: Smart companies do see the value of our audience bringing content to our site
Jay: Its not just disintermedia, its different motivations. Bloggers are doing it for love. Amatuers are a threat because of their differrent motivations.
Dan: Amatuers are not the threat. The threat is eBay, the largest classified ad market, all the descrete revenue streams without needing the large margins.
Tim Bishop: Distain for the mass media?
Dan: No, they compensate me nicely
I asked about the role of quality of emergent media vs. traditional media.
Jay: Blogs are being held more accountable, with a greater level of edvidence and arguementation than an opinion collumn.
Jeff: Blogs can't be co-opted they are just conversations.
Dan: My readers know more than I do.